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jodudan
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 Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:28 am Post subject: Orthodoxy |
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BpAndre,
The theology of ICAN, from what i've read on your statements is very orthodox and appealing (i'm orthodox). Have there been any approaches by orthodox churches towards affiliation with ICAN on some level? Since the apostolic succession is firm, i'm curious too about conservative catholic groups ( Thuc, LeFevbre, etc successions) communicating with ICAN........................................................peace, Joe  |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 6:27 pm Post subject: Re: Orthodoxy |
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| jodudan wrote: | BpAndre,
The theology of ICAN, from what i've read on your statements is very orthodox and appealing (i'm orthodox). Have there been any approaches by orthodox churches towards affiliation with ICAN on some level? Since the apostolic succession is firm, i'm curious too about conservative catholic groups ( Thuc, LeFevbre, etc successions) communicating with ICAN........................................................peace, Joe |
The Greek Orthodox (Old Calendar) Bishop, Athanasios, in Brasilia, Brazil is quite fond of the Church. WHen I was there during the International Council, he pledged his help with the theological materiels at his disposal for the formation of the seminarians. On two occassions during the council, at Mass, he communicated. He is very supportive of the Church, and I managed to spend a good amount of time with him while there, and look forward to seeing him upon my next visit.
I have also heard, although I have not been able to confirm it, that the Orthodox Church of America (OCA) has thought very highly of the ICAN communion. The future looks bright, in this regard, indeed.
With regard to the very conservative Catholic groups, the problem is that we do not subscribe to thier concept of what it means to be Catholic, and without a base ability to at least acknowledge one another, which we would be willing to do - well, you cannot have a dialogue if one does not want to at least come to the table! Hopefully this will change.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 11:30 am Post subject: |
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BpAndre,
Upon reflection,It makes sense that other conservative catholic groups do not commune with you - they are, more or less seda-vacantists...?? I mean, the catholic church for them is based on the papacy - without acknowledgement of a pope, there is no catholic church. Is my understanding correct here? That an old calendar orthodox would commune with ICAN is a testimony to me at least, of what inter-communion can be: the correct theology mirrors the correct faith. Then communion can occur. I think i understand why ICAN is more a 'stand alone' body ( like the old orthodox); so many churches attempt to use 'communion' to facilitate unity when unity, minus correct theology , leads nowhere...............................................  Joe |
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| jodudan wrote: | BpAndre,
Upon reflection,It makes sense that other conservative catholic groups do not commune with you - they are, more or less seda-vacantists...?? I mean, the catholic church for them is based on the papacy - without acknowledgement of a pope, there is no catholic church. Is my understanding correct here? That an old calendar orthodox would commune with ICAN is a testimony to me at least, of what inter-communion can be: the correct theology mirrors the correct faith. Then communion can occur. I think i understand why ICAN is more a 'stand alone' body ( like the old orthodox); so many churches attempt to use 'communion' to facilitate unity when unity, minus correct theology , leads nowhere............................................... Joe |
For the conservative "traditional" groups out there (i.e. those doing the Latin Mass and using the name 'Roman Catholic' and claiming 'secret' approval from the Vatican and such), the claim they make is that they *are* Roman Catholic, and that they *obey* the Pope. Yet they continue to do thier own thing. The arguement requires some sleight of hand. It is say that "I am a part of Rome" and at the same time, "I am apart from Rome". And from a practical, systematic reading of the theology, the arguement falls apart. For such groups, to be involved with us, would be like a magician to be sitting next to a person who catches all thier tricks and explains them to the audience. It just isn't tenable for them.
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